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morganchaser 04-24-2009 10:01 PM
"Concealed carry promotes attacks on women"
 
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Concealed carry not ready for college
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At college, things work a little differently. The same NRA arguments regurgitated ad nauseam out there are subjected to logic and reason here. At college, where alcohol and pavement prove to be a dangerous combination, guns are a terrible idea. Ignoring the obvious spike in accidental shootings that will inevitably occur, proponents of concealed carry of firearms on campus claim they have the solution to criminal activity. They may be fighting fire with fire, but they’re using a flame thrower to put out a matchstick.

Sadly, a firearm does not cease to be dangerous simply because it is wielded by someone with good intentions, just as a car is not accident-proof because it is operated by a careful driver. Soldiers are well-trained; soldiers make mistakes. Police officers are well-trained; police officers misjudge. Joe Vanderbilt has maybe elected to go through eight hours of safety training before strapping on his handgun; Joe Vanderbilt puts all of our lives in danger.


Don’t get me wrong, firearms can be great things to have in, say, a war zone Like the war on drugs? or on the frontier. There are certain places, however, where the threat of being violently attacked is so low that carrying a concealed weapon actually increases the risk of being shot. One such place is the U.S. The Department of Education counts nearly 18,000 students currently enrolled in college. A total of four college students have died in shooting sprees this academic year.Finish your thought jackass. How many CCW holders were shot while carrying?

As for other criminals, pulling a gun on a mugger just about guarantees a violent outcome and is rarely a good option.Unsupported and patently ridiculous claim. Sure do know when you break out the statistics don't you? It is entirely plausible that criminals are less likely to attack people who may have guns. Yet statistics show that while one out of every 54 males has a concealed carry permit, only one in over 300 females has a permit. This means that with concealed carry, criminals are simply more likely to target female victims than they otherwise would.

Three years ago, an argument in Morgan led two visitors with handguns to open fire on students. Fortunately, there were only minor injuries and the shooters were soon apprehended. Thank goodness there were no panicked, trigger-happy cowboys there to shoot back and start a fire fight in a residence hall. When handling a firearm under duress, a student must be able to think intelligently and responsibly … which, judging by recent Hustler opinion pieces, does not bode well for having guns on campus.

—Sean Tierney is a senior in the College of Arts and Science. He can be reached at sean.f.tierney@vanderbilt.edu.

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Glass 04-24-2009 11:25 PM
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As for other criminals, pulling a gun on a mugger just about guarantees a violent outcome and is rarely a good option
If you are being mugged then chances are you are already in a violent situation.

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Yet statistics show that while one out of every 54 males has a concealed carry permit, only one in over 300 females has a permit. This means that with concealed carry, criminals are simply more likely to target female victims than they otherwise would.
This means that women need to get more permits or that criminals are inherently cowards.

morganchaser 04-24-2009 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1693253)
What a crock. This little pantywaist has to be rich as hell. The average cost per year of Vandy has to be over 100k. Not a lot of the "underprivileged" types walking around the campus. Let him stroll over to TSU and walk around that neighborhood a few years. We'll see how he feels about concealed carry then.

*oh did I mention Vanderbilt has it's own police department on campus?
Explains a lot. He sure didn't get in on a debate scholarship. Either money, need based scholarship, or brown nosing.

I hope the economics degree works out for him, but I'm sure that's just another expression of his liberalism.

Silver001 04-25-2009 12:06 AM
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In Tinery world the butler would get his ass kicked before a bad guy could get to him. With Obama's going after the rich he better get a gun and learn to use it.

Tn...Andy 04-25-2009 01:34 AM
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Yet statistics show that while one out of every 54 males has a concealed carry permit, only one in over 300 females has a permit. This means that with concealed carry, criminals are simply more likely to target female victims than they otherwise would.

I don't know about those other 299 women, but I suggest those criminals NOT try out that theory on my CCW bearing wife....or they will find themselves on the receiving end of a +P .38 hollowpoint.

Elusive Ahab 04-25-2009 07:59 AM
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I believe in John Lott's book "More Guns, Less Crime", he explained when a woman carries a gun she reduces crime 4x more than a man carrying. Good book btw.

Sk�l.

Maddie 04-25-2009 01:05 PM
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Ignoring the obvious spike in accidental shootings that will inevitably occur...
For his next article he should put his sociology interest to work and try to explain what's so very wrong with college kids today that so many of them feel they can't be trusted with responsibilities with which previous generations could be trusted.

When I went to college, there was no rule that said we couldn't have guns on campus. Many students kept guns in their dorm rooms, and some carried. I suspect it was this way on many college campuses. Most of my friends, including a number of the women in my dorm (and me) had guns. We didn't pull them on each other, threaten each other, shoot each other, go on killing sprees, or have firefights in the residence halls. Doing any of that wouldn't even have occurred to most (all?) of us. I don't remember a single student expressing worry about guns on campus in general. We were aware enough to remove a seriously depressed fellow student's gun (and hide it in another dorm) until the crisis passed, and our resident sociopath's best friend stole the firing pin out of his pistol when the guy's girlfriend broke up with him, just in case (though the sociopath never noticed or threatened her). This, by the way, was when the drinking age was still 18 and drugs were so common and accepted that bong-making contests were advertised in the Student Union Building.

Heimdhal 04-25-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1693797)
For his next article he should put his sociology interest to work and try to explain what's so very wrong with college kids today that so many of them feel they can't be trusted with responsibilities with which previous generations could be trusted.

We didn't pull them on each other, threaten each other, shoot each other, go on killing sprees, or have firefights in the residence halls. Doing any of that wouldn't even have occurred to most (all?) of us. I don't remember a single student expressing worry about guns on campus in general..
Well, Maddie, you just obviously have not lived the true American college kid life. Just because you didnt have fun having firefights in the hall ways and playing Rambo is the quad, is no reason to advocate others carrying guns on campus, where obviously the student body would have to get together for the bi weekly Wet SpringField contest.

Maddie 04-25-2009 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1693812)
Well, Maddie, you just obviously have not lived the true American college kid life. Just because you didnt have fun having firefights in the hall ways and playing Rambo is the quad, is no reason to advocate others carrying guns on campus, where obviously the student body would have to get together for the bi weekly Wet SpringField contest.
Yeah, see this is where "just say no" to drugs gets us. In our day, college students were too stoned to have the necessary reflexes for firefights and too mellow for shooting rampages. Guns don't kill! Harsh drug laws kill! :bear_tongue:

reformed wastrel 04-25-2009 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1693797)
For his next article he should put his sociology interest to work and try to explain what's so very wrong with college kids today that so many of them feel they can't be trusted with responsibilities with which previous generations could be trusted.
I figure it's today's "diversity" on campus. Apparently environments with a diverse population are going to erupt in gun fights all the time. I guess all the different races still hate each other. Maybe they need more "Kumbaya" singing sessions or something.

Fabonz 04-25-2009 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1693248)
If you are being mugged then chances are you are already in a violent situation.
Maybe your "mugger" will decide to have you kneel on the ground so he can put a bullet in your head.....

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009...s_mothers.html

meatman 04-26-2009 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1693253)
*oh did I mention Vanderbilt has it's own police department on campus? Easy to be a hardass who doesn't need a gun when you've got enough money for armed guards.
http://www.ansonmarketing.com/VandyP...es/police1.jpg
I really don't know many colleges that do not have their own police departments, but that being said crime is still very high on women, and those women need to be able to carry.

My son went to Tulane and at one time you use to be able to bring your firearm to school but had to check it in with campus police but that was canceled a few years ago.

Raven 04-27-2009 03:20 PM
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So did anyone contact this person? (e-mail was supplied)

Their argument has about as many holes in it as that 20/20 yellow journalism piece a few weeks back.

I'd suggest his parents read it and demand their money back from the college.

SimpleIsGood229 04-27-2009 04:45 PM
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So what they're saying is that more women should get thier CHL's. Excellent! I agree. :D


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